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Example of Evangelical Church Songs - City Harvest Church (Video)
February 17th, 2010 • Fun!, Vote PAP Somemore
Chinese
The brainwash begins. I wonder how many young kids are into the religion for the philosophy of the religion, or were brainwashed through showmanship.
IMHO, MACHAM CULT SIAL
The Nanyang Siang Pau Story (Know your History - Singapore)
February 15th, 2010 • Fun!, Vote PAP Somemore
Four executives and editorial staff were arrested under the Internal Security Act after Lee’s speech during the “Seminar on Communism and Democracy” on April 28, 1971, which marked the start of the government’s crackdown on the print media, according to Seow (1998).
The Internal Security Department operation started at 3a.m. on May 2, 1971, netting in Lee Mau Seng, the former general of the newspaper, and whose family owned and controlled the pan-Malaysian daily; Shamsuddin Tung Tao Chang, the editor-in-chief; and senior editorial writer Ly Singko. Public relations officer Kerk Loong Seng was picked up the next day.
Lee said in his same speech that Tung had ‘played up’ crime in Singapore but ‘played down’ government news in the Singapore edition - the opposite to the Malaysian edition. This was also followed by attempts to bring in a Malayan Chinese Association activist from Kuala Lumpur to be the Singapore news page editor and the playing up of more communist-related news to the point where it got ‘bold’ when Singko was brought into the team.
Singko was ‘a well known opportunist and Chinese chauvinist’, noted Lee. He had been warned previously by the authorities for his editorials for the Sin Chew Jit Poh, and was offered more money to join the Nanyang Siang Pau ‘to work up, to stoke up heat over Chinese language, education, and culture’. However, no specifics were mentioned (Seow, 1998).?This, Lee opined, was because the city-state was doing ‘too well’. In his words, ’some people wanted to sour up our ground’ for the important centre in Southeast Asia, which would have created unsettling effects of considerable emotions.
The government made its arrests on the basis that Lee Mau Seng had briught Shamsuddin into the newspaper that led to a change in editorial policy slanted towards ‘glamourizing communism and stirring up communal and chauvinistic sentiments over language and culture’. A similar allegation was made about Ly Singko, which the authorities contend as another person who would ‘reinforce the new Nanyang policy’.
This was reflected in a government statement released on the same day where the above three were arrested:
The Nanyang Siang Pau has made a sustained effort to instill admiration for the communist system as free from blemishes and endorsing its policies, while highlighting in the domestic news pages the more unsavoury aspects of Singapore life. The glamourizing of the communist way of life at this juncture of Singapore’s history is made all the more sinister by the fact that both Shamsuddin Tung and Ly Singko are journalists with a Kuomintang and anti-communist background.
A study of the Singapore and Malaysian editions of the paper in the last six months shows that the policy in regard to Singapore was deliberate and calculated. In the Malaysian edition, no attempt is made to play up communist achievements or to stoke communal sentiments over Chinese language and education.
On the contrary, in the Malaysian edition there is general support for that government’s educational policies. On the other hand, in the Singapore edition, not only are communist achievements played up but the impression is built up of Chinese language and education fighting desperately for survival against a hostile environment.
None of the editorials which appeared in the Singapore edition to work up fears over Chinese language and education appeared in the Malaysian edition. These propaganda changes first started in the last quarter of 1970, several months before the recent spate of news about China and the American ping-pong team visiting China in April 1971. In its campaign to work up disruptive and dangerous emotions, the paper continuously echoes the pro-communist cry that Singapore’s independence is ‘phoney’ by maliciously referring to Singapore as having undergone 150 years of colonial fetters, and that Singapore has not ‘in fact enjoyed real political freedom’.
In a deliberate campaign to stir up Chinese racial emotions, the paper sets the mood of tension, impending conflict and violence by persistently reminding its readers of the violence, turmoil and unrest of the turbulent 1957-59 period of Singapore’s history.
By April 28 the Nanyang had reached the stage in the campaign when it was prepared to use conscious falsehoods to whip up communal fears. In its editorial of that day, the paper, under the pretext of criticism, openly incited communal hatred against the government. Having over the weeks depicted the government as the oppressors of Chinese education and language, it went one step further. It branded the government as “pseudo-foreigners” who forget their ancestors. This is the battle cry that was once used by Malay Chauvinists in Singapore against their multiracial compatriots before the island plunged into communal violence.
The policymakers of Nanyang are determined and appear to be in a hurry to create trouble in Singapore. While he was general manager, Lee Mau Seng, who does not read or write Chinese, employed two formerly anti-communist journalists to work up pro-Chinese communist news and stoke up emotions on Chinese language and culture which will, if unchecked, lead to a communal explosion. Though Lee Mau Seng handed over the management of Nanyang to his brother, Lee Eu Seng, in February this year, he still maintained a close working relationship with Tung Tao Chang. There are all the signs of what in Special Branch terms is called a ‘black operation’.
Lee Mau Seng may have been emboldened by the belief that his family wealth gives him power and immunity. They may also be under the delusion that by posting as champions of Chinese language and culture they could inhibit the government from action to stop them in their mischief. The Singapore government must, and will continue to take action against all those who allow themselves to be used by outside sources to the detriment of Singapore. The government will not be deterred by the wealth, professional, social or political status, or the protective patronage of powerful groups outside Singapore.
The government has taken action to prevent these men, who, under cover of defending Chinese language and education, are letting loose forces which will sharpen conflict along race, language and cultural lines (Straits Times, 3 May 1971).
Lee Mau Seng’s brother, Lee Eu Seng, subsequently made public a personal statement commenting over the arrests of the four newsmen executives the next day.
As chairman and chief executive, I have always been responsible for the policy of Nanyang Siang Pau and I have never allowed it to be influenced by any group or organization from either here or abroad. It is necessary to state very clearly that in Singapore, the newspapers have a clear and definite duty to bring to attention of the government (since there is no opposition in Parliament to do so) the wishes, criticisms, and legitimate grievances of the general public. If the government uses the Internal Security Act to silence all criticisms they are depriving the people of Singapore the right of expression and dissent (Straits Times, 4 May 1971).
The newspaper itself published an editorial on the same day expressing its protests over the arrests. It called on the government to withdraw ‘all grave accusations’. It also demanded ‘the respect due to us as an independent newspaper’ and ‘clarification after careful study of the incident.’
It was the government’s turn to take to the stage as ministers met journalists at a press conference to address the rising tensions on the afternoon of May 3, 1971. Led by the city-state’s first foreign affairs minister, S.Rajaratnam, the Culture Minister and the home affairs minister sought to alleviate concerns and worries about the media industry in light of the arrests made.
Rajaratnam assured those present that ‘the government was not against any newspaper which was critical of government’. There would also be ‘no change in its liberal attitude towards newspapers’, he said.
Seow (1998) noted that it was the concurrent acting minister of labour who was calling the shots and directing the show, apart from a few statements by Jek. This, despite the fact that Culture Minister Jek Yuen Thong’s ministry oversaw all media-related matters; and Dr Wong Lin Ken’s home affairs ministry (MHA)which handles the Internal Security Department (ISD). The latter also answers directly to the Prime Minister then.
Seow opines this reflected the level of trust and faith that Lee had in Rajaratnam instead of Jek and Wong – both who should be the ones to answer and address the audience. Wong subsequently returned to academia after being told by Lee senior that he did not ‘want a liberal’ (Straits Times, 5 May 1971) in his cabinet, and later committed suicide.
The Straits Times broadsheet editorialised the arrests the next day.
The Singapore government’s action must be judged not by the canons of freedom of the press, but the purpose of regulations expressly designed to maintain security, to prevent subversion and to guard against communal conflict.
The paper’s policy in Singapore, the government said, gradually changed until glamourised Communism and stirred up ‘communal and chauvinistic sentiments’. This is the essential accusation, although it is not proof – while it may invite suspicion – of what the Special Branch calls a ‘black operation’ organized from outside the country.
The Nanyang complains in its editorial that its policy has been misunderstood,and it is difficult to justify the assumption of ‘misunderstanding’ with the disclosure that cabinet ministers on two occasions last year warned the paper’s general manager that the Nanyang’s policy had become a security problem. That is the whole gravamen of the government’s case. It acted in the direct interests of security (Straits Times, 4 May 1971).
On the same day, the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) issued a brief reply to Lee Eu Seng’s statement. It seemed as a mere acknowledgment of what the former had said.
Mr. Lee Eu Seng, chairman and chief executive of Nanyang Sian Pau, who was away in Europe the past year and reassumed control of the paper in February this year in a statement issued yesterday asserts that he has always been responsible for the policy of Nanyang Siang Pau. The government has taken note of this (Straits Times, 5 May 1971).
The Nanyang Siang Pau rebutted with a second editorial,’The Journalist’s Bounden Duty’, on May 5, 1971. The paper ‘categorically opposed racialism and that it had never supported communism,’ and replied seriatim to the government’s ‘three grave allegations’ placed on it. ?Lee Eu Seng also took his turn. He issued another statement denying the charges made against the newspaper by the administration. He again called for the release of his brother and the three other newspaper executives.
He included evidence to refute the allegations made. His brother had returned on January 22 before the May 13 riots in 1969 because of his wife’s illness. Both later left for Hong Kong in the same month to seek medical assistance. This was used to counter the allegation that the Lee Mau Seng had played a part in inciting the riots. (Polsky, 1971)
Lee Eu Seng also said the decision to hire Shamsuddin Tung and Ly Singko was made by him. His brother had not met both of them before they were hired. ‘It was absurd’, Lee Eu Seng concluded in his letter, that the Nanyang Siang Pau, which had ‘no foreign capital participation, and widely known for its fierce independence should be mentioned in the same context as papers receiving foreign funds by the prime minister, who recently spoke on ‘black operations’.
Seow (1998) noted that the then ISD director had apparently reported to the Prime Minister that there was no evidence found that the executives wanted to disrupt the city state’s internal security. However, he was later replaced.
The government later offered to release the executives if the newspaper changed its editorial policy. (Straits Times, 1 May 1971)
However, the Nanyang Siang Pau rejected the offer – stating that it was ‘fighting for a principle’ and accused the authorities of ‘depriving the people of Singapore of freedom of speech’. This act of defiance was to be a watershed that led to the newspaper coming under the control of the government.
The newspaper’s three executives were subsequently detained without trial. They were alleged to have glamourized and stirred up communism, as well as ‘communal and chauvinistic sentiments over language and culture’.
This was ironic, considering that Tung was a Chinese Muslim and Ly a Roman Catholic. Both also supported the anti-communist Kuomintang – a political party based in Taiwan whose leaders fled to the coastal province after losing the 1949 civil war against the communists on mainland China (Seow, 1998).
The case against Ly was even more ironic because he had sent his children to English schools. The accusations of Ly being a Chinese chauvinist would certainly run against the government’s case. Nevertheless, the government pressed on with its claims. On May 15, 1971, Rajaratnam said the newspaper had ‘glorified the communist system’ and had gone ‘out of its way to confirm the allegations of unfriendly external forces that Singapore is becoming a Third China’. (Sunday Times, 23 May 1971).
A week later, the MHA announced Lee Mau Seng and the other three executives had confessed under interrogation to ‘glamourizing the communist system and working up communal relations over Chinese language and culture.’ Their public confession coincided with formal detention orders made against them. However, they were denied their right to counsel.
The allegations made against Lee Mau Seng resulting in a two year detention period were:
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Under your management of control, the Nanyang Siang Pau had deliberately and systematically instilled admiration for the Communist system. This had been achieved by presenting the Communist system as one free from blemishes. And whilst endorsing its policies, you had highlighted in the domestic new pages the more unsavoury aspects of Singapore life
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You had insulted the Nanyang Siang Pau to arouse communal sentiments over the Chinese language, education and culture, and created the impression that Chinese language and education were fighting desperately for survival in Singapore against a government hostile to the Chinese.
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In your campaign to work up disruptive and dangerous emotions, you had continuously echoed in the Nanyang Siang Pau the pro-communist cry that Singapore’s independence was ‘phoney’ by maliciously referring to Singapore as having undergone ‘150 years of colonial fetters’ and that Singapore had not ‘in fact enjoyed real political freedom’.
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You had used deliberate falsehood to whip up communal fears and openly incite communal hatred against the government. (Legal Cases, 1971)
The three executives – Shamsuddin, Ly and Kerk – also faced similar, if not, the same allegations in the orders made against them.
The Nanyang Siang Pau ran a blank editorial column the next day in protest. Lee Eu Seng went one step further at a conference (Straits Times, 27 May 1971). He demanded that an open trial be held for the four executives on account of what the prime minister said once before which he repeated. ‘The Singapore government does not flinch from any face to face encounter when the truth is involved,’ said Lee Eu Seng.
He even suggested alternatives. ‘Let the government face the people. Or they could set up a public commission of inquiry into these so-called black operations in Singapore.’ This would be the first of many fruitless calls.
Lee also denied that the paper set out to glamourise communism. He used readership surveys to back up what he said – one that was conducted in March that year among residents staying in public housing. The surveys showed that readers wanted to read more about China and crime stories. ‘Is that influencing policy or is it reflecting what our readers want to read? In this particular case, I certainly detect McCarthyism, that is, guilt by association,’ said Lee Eu Seng.
He also denied stirring up racial feelings. ‘Singapore consists of a majority of Chinese. And being a Chinese-language paper, we naturally would encourage the study of the Chinese-language.’ The government made its serve back. On May 25, 1971, authorities produced the photocopy of a document. It was purported to be an editorial directive sent by Shamsuddin Tiung on the instructions of Lee Eu Seng. The recipient was Lin Pin, the editor of the ‘Important News Page’ section of the newspaper on April 2, 1971.
It read:
The managing director has directed that as from today, all news reports about China, except those that are libelous and slanderous, should, irrespective of their length and importance, be translated in full and printed on the front page. Should there be insufficient space on the front page, they may be printed in other pages (Straits Times, 26 May 1971).
Lee Eu Seng rebutted on the same night. ‘It was issued at the peak of the international ping-pong competition when teams from Canada, Britain and the U.S. were all invited to play in China. The world would be watching the coming events with great interest and furthermore, by issuing a signed memo, it clearly showed there was nothing secret or sinister.’ (Straits Times, 26 May 1971)
The government replied the next day. ‘If this is so, then why did Mr. Lee give instructions to destroy this memo?’ (Straits Times, 27 May 1971). No evidence was adduced, which Seow compares akin to a classic non sequitur: ‘When did you stop beating your wife?’
The newspaper’s executives applied for writs of habeas corpus while they were detained. Lee Mau Seng, Shamsuddin Tung and Ly Singko applied on May 5, 1971, three days after they were arrested. Kerk Loong Seng did so six days later. However, their applications were grounded as their constitutional right of access to counsel was denied.
This case only received its attention on May 26, 1971. A preliminary hearing on the right of access to counsel was held for their applications (Seow, 1994).The hearing was adjourned after the attorney general argued that those under ISD arrest can be denied for access for up to a month. The four executives were held incommunicado for three weeks.
The hearing was later resumed on June 8, 1971. The four detainees repudiated ‘in very categorical terms’ that they had ‘admitted glamorizing the communist system and working up communal emotions over the Chinese language and culture’ (Straits Times, 9 June 1971).
Lee Mau Seng, in his affidavit, affirmed that he had planned to emigrate to Canada with his family. He received clearance in 1969, but his wife’s illness delayed their departure. He re-applied in 1971 and agreed to take over the reins at the newspaper while waiting for the new permits. This took place from January 1970 to January 1971. It was also to allow his brother Lee Eu Send to take an extended holiday.
Lee Mau Seng’s affidavit also exposed authorities’ efforts to manipulate the newspaper. It read:
I was deeply dissatisfied in the course of the following months by interference and attempted interference in the publication of the paper by Mr. Li Vei Chen, press secretary to the prime minister, who casued me and my paper a great deal of trouble because we refused to obey orders issued by him. Because of refusal to comply with those unwarranted interferences, I incurred the wrath and displeasure of this office, and the Nanyang Siang Pau came under a ban which prevented it from receiving government press releases and notices. (Straits Times, 9 June 1971)
Lee Mau Seng’s reply, though not direct, implied that it was actually the prime minister who had directed these efforts (Seow, 1998).
Shamsuddin stated that it was ‘farcical’ to suggest that he was ‘ever a party to a campaign to work up disruptive and dangerous emotions’. Singko, on the other hand, said that he had never thought of engaging in any black operations, and also claimed that his detention was mala fide.
Kerk cited the nature of his public relation duties that created little contact for him when it came to the newspaper’s editorial policy. He added that he never sought to influence or change that policy.
Their lawyer, David Marshall, argued that the government’s accusation of glamourising communism and stirring up Chinese chauvinistic sentiments were intentionally left vague and obscure. ?The allegations were false and there were no details, he added. Besides, all news reports carried in the newspaper were translated from foreign and western news agencies. Marshall even suggested a trial in camera under the Sedition Act.
This would allow the defendants to rebut allegations made about their efforts in arousing communal feelings and disaffection towards the government, he said, as they can produce copies of the offending editorials to make their point.
However, the attorney-general’s argued that as this was an executive act, no court was able to inquire into reasons for a detention order. This would only be allowed if the country’s president ordered it to be so suspecting mala fide. Hence, no presidential action was akin to a fatal blow to the applicants’ case and chances of success.
This proved true on July 13, 1971, as the chief justice ruled that ‘the constitution had clearly provided beyond a shadow of a doubt the right of an arrested person to consult his lawyer if he so wished and that this right must be accorded to him by the by the relevant authority within a reasonable time after he arrest’ (Straits Times, 14 July 1971).
However, the court ruled also that it was not open to them to examine whether the detention orders brought against the four executives of the newspaper were wrongly issued. Hence, this meant that it was not a justiciable issue.
Lee Eu Seng observed the chief justice’s ruling in disbelief:
The judgment of the Chief Justice shows clearly that the Internal Security Act overrules the basic principles of human liberty without allowing any recourse to existing legal institutions. The Internal Security Act should only be utilized under the most exceptional of circumstances. This is not so in the case of the arrest of the four top executives of the Nanyang Siang Pau. It has been clearly shown that the original charges of ‘black operations’ are totally unfounded. To detain people for an indefinite period of time without trail is a clear act of injustice and in this case clearly shows indifference to public opinion. Mr Lee Kuan Yew during the course of debate in the Legislative Assembly in 1955 expressed similar sentiments, and I quote: “If it is not totalitarian to arrest a man and detain him when you cannot charge him with any offence against any written law – and if that is not what we have always cried out against in Fascist states – then what is it?’ (Chauvinism and Mr. Lee, 1974; Farrow, 1974).
The case against the newspaper’s executives was at best tenuous. The prime minister had acknowledged that Lee Mau Seng was illiterate in Chinese. This implied that it was questionable as to whether knew or was aware of what was being printed or published.
It was also clear that Lee Mau Seng had not hired the two Nanyang newspapermen. His connection with the newspaper was temporary, and he was brought in to only cover duties for his brother who was away on leave in Europe.
More importantly, most of the ’so-called offensive articles, which precipitated the press crisis of 1971, appeared long after his resignation from the paper’. It was a fact he confirmed in a letter to the Hongkong Standard from Canada.
The case against Shamsuddin Tung and Ly Singko, both who have had a long history of anti-communism has also been touched upon, while that of Kerk, is simply too bizarre for words (Seow, 1998). Perhaps the main problem that faced the newspaper was that it was fiercely independent in editorial policy. It was also owned by a wealth family, which had no need, and refused to kowtow to the government. And such a publication could work the people against the administration.
On January 28, 1973, Lee Eu Seng was finally arrested. The reason:’using his newspaper to incite the people against the government over issues of Chinese culture’ (Straits Times, 29 Jan 1973).
Apparently, the prime minister had not forgotten him: ‘People with long histories have long memories. And I happen to have a long memory’ (Straits Times, 29 Jan 1973).
No charges were brought in court against Lee Eu Seng, similar to what the other four newspapermen faced. Lee was detained under the ISA for five years.
Soon after, the newspaper’s publishing and printing permits under his name were revoked. These were reissues under the name of Tan Chin Har, a senior editorial writer. The prime minister also introduced amendments to the press law to deprive Lee Eu Seng of his shares in and control of his newspaper.
Lee Mau Seng was later released two-and-half-years later in October 1973. This came after he made a ‘public statement admitting his past mistakes’, pending emigration to Canada . En route, Lee Mau Seng disclosed in an interview at Hong Kong that he had signed a ‘Russian Confession’ to obtain his release. He said: ‘I never understood the meaning of raw power and the nuances of politics in Singapore until I was hit. This had been an education.’ (Predicting unrest, 1973)
Daredevil NTU shuttle bus drivers from China endanger lives on campus
February 8th, 2010 • Vote PAP Somemore
Something needs to be done about the reckless China drivers of the NTU shuttle buses, says a STOMPer, who was travelling on board a bus which knocked an elderly lady off her bicycle yesterday morning (Jan 18).
This is not the first time the STOMPer has witnessed reckless driving on board the bus.
Sometimes, the drivers drive while talking over the phone and beat traffic lights as well, he says.
Such behaviour needs to be stopped, says the sender, who believes that most of the drivers are foreigners and weren’t trained according to Singapore’s rules and traffic conditions
The STOMPer says in an email dated January 18:
“I feel that I have the moral responsibility to highlight the issue of how reckless Nanyang Technological University’s (NTU) shuttle bus drivers are.
“Many of them are from China and have perhaps brought their reckless driving habits to Singapore.
“I have personally seen how drivers behave in China and feel that they are in fact one of the worst drivers in the world.
“I was on board the NTU shuttle bus from Pioneer MRT to NTU today at about 9:45am.
“As it was entering NTU (from Pioneer Road North into Nanyang Drive), it knocked down an old lady who was cycling on the left side of the bus.
“As a result, the old lady fell off her bicycle and suffered some bruises to her arm.
“She looked to be in a state of shock and it deeply saddened me to see her sitting on the kerb, groaning in pain.
“I take the NTU shuttle bus almost daily and have witnessed much reckless behaviour including beating of traffic lights, using the handphone while driving on campus, failing to give way to pedestrians at zebra crossings amongst other dangerous acts.
“I seriously hope the relevant parties such as NTU, Tong Tar Transport (shuttle bus operator engaged by NTU), or even the Traffic Police can look into the matter and deal with these extremely reckless drivers.
“Please do something before someone is seriously injured or even killed due to their recklessness.
“I believe daily commuters on the NTU shuttle bus will agree with me on this.”
ISD invites Pastor Rony to Lim Kopi, gets away with a warning but when digged deeper, something is fundamentally wrong
February 7th, 2010 • 1 comment Fun!, Vote PAP Somemore
After calls by netizens for the police to investigate Pastor Rony Tan of Lighthouse church for his remarks against buddhism/taoism, the Internal Security Department (ISD) in a statement through the Ministry of Home Affairs, have spoken to Pastor Rony Tan and let him off with a warning.
But people from the church (or have attended some of their sermons) have said that Pastor Rony has made same remarks to other religions before. While there’s no substantianal proof out, SGFrag will not speculate on the authencity of that comment.
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Lighthouse has been in the media limelight over the years, but not for the right reasons. An elder from the church, Mr Rodney Sim Hang Nge, a 61 year old accountant, was found guilty of paying for underaged sex and jailed in 2009.

AN ACCOUNTANT who twice paid to have sex with an underage prostitute from China was jailed for two weeks and fined $16,000 on Tuesday.
The sentence amounted to a victory of sorts for Rodney Sim Hang Nge, 61, who had testified that he did not know the girl was 16 when he had sex with her.
He could have been jailed up to seven years, or fined a maximum of $10,000 on each charge - or both - under a new law, which makes it a crime to have paid sex with a person under 18. The law took effect in February last year.
The father of two grown-up children, a daughter and a son, pleaded guilty last December to two counts of paying $100 to have sex with the girl on Aug 3 and 5 last year.
So while the case of Rony seems to be closed, we are reminded of the recent jailing of 3 youths who posted racist comments on the popular social networking site, Facebook.
3 kids, ignorant, perhaps unintentionally malicious, jailed with a criminal record, while a man (a messenger of God - according to the Christian faith) with over 12,000 followers not only manages to get his congregation to laugh at his comedic sketch to insult buddhism/taoism (as in the video), but also manages to get away with sedition.
To the blogosphere, is this social justice or just another case of justice not being blind?
ISD invites Pastor Rony to Lim Kopi, gets away with a warning but when digged deeper, something is fundamentally wrong
PRC Student tells Singapore to Merge with China, on a NUS Forum, “Nation Building in Singapore”
February 7th, 2010 • Fun!, Vote PAP Somemore
HWZer kingofcrap, said that he spotted the following message on a forum for his NUS module “Nation Building in Singapore”:
Heading : Academic Discussion
From : JIN XU Date : 07-Feb-2010 01:44 PM
Topic : merger with China
Hi all,I just wonder if there is a possibility for Sg to merge with China, since so many people here are Chinese in race, and a strong hinterland of the Chinese mainland is obviouly beneficial for the singapore’s economy. Why not Singapore just assume Hong Kong’s module and join China, while maintain its self-governorship?

A PRC student has the audacity to suggest that Singapore merge with China, on slip-shoddy arguments, on a forum for the module ‘Nation Building in Singapore’ no less.
To argue an anti-sovereignty case in the National University of the said country, is pure insensitive and seditious.
What do you guys think?
On a side note, LOL there’s a Jet Li on the NUS forum.
Originally Posted by yandao07
Heading : Academic Discussion Msg 8 of 20
From : LI LIANJIE ANTHONY Date : 07-Feb-2010 05:55 PM
Topic : Re: merger with China
I highly doubt that will be possible for 4 main reasons:1. As stated earlier in previous posts, we are geographically too far apart from one and another. This implies that never in the entire history of mankind was this piece of land ever owned by the Chinese. This distinguishes Singapore from countries like Taiwan, Macau and Hong Kong. Even if we are to merge, the more logical one will be with Malaysia.
2. The Singapore government has spent 45 years to build up this nation that guards it’s sovereignty and beliefs strongly. We are not about to relinquish it easily. Don’t talk about merger with China, even the more logical option which is that of merger with Malaysia is regarded as absurd by most Singaporeans.
3. The difference in political structure of both nations is bound to cause much conflict. Racial and religious tensions are bound to be at a high once again because when Singapore is adopted into the China system, there is bound to be widespread discord among the different racial groups. On that note, I just simply cannot imagine the idea of Malays and Indians singing the China national anthem. One is then bound to retort: why is our anthem than sang in Malay?. Well, our anthem is in Malay because these lands were probably once dominated by Malays and it was a symbol of respect to the Malays. This further validates the fact that there is no official reason for China to claim sovereignty over this piece of land.
4. The high proportion of Chinese in these lands cannot be justified as a reason for merger between Singapore and China. If this logic work, China can start staking claim in many states or parts of other countries and world since the number of Chinese immigrants around the world far outnumbers that of other races and nationalities.
On a very personal note, I am a Chinese. I am proud to be a Chinese but as a Singaporean Chinese, not a China Chinese. I love my roots and I acknowledged that my ancestors crossed over less than a century ago from China. However, i have no emotional attachment to China. I did not grow up there. China did not groom me. Singapore did. One can say that maybe I am brainwashed by propaganda but that is not true. I love this land, not because I have a particular liking for a piece of flag or because I like to live on a red dot. Neither is it because I like PAP. In fact sometimes I feel that being associated with a red dot quite suit the way I work because I like it when people underestimate what we can do. The most obvious reason why I would like to stay here because my family is here, my friends are here and most importantly, my home is here. I will shake hands and be friends with a China Chinese but I am not ready to kneel down and offer two generations of Singaporean hard work to a China Chinese. I do not have the kind of patriotism nor that kind of pride China Chinese has. Frankly, I think loyalty to country is a blind and nonsensical notion if the country is using such notions to pull it’s citizens by the nose and getting nothing done for the collective good. However, having my ideals and beliefs shaped as per such, I only wish to continue to live a peaceful and prosperous environment built on the basis of a colour-blind society that I have enjoyed since young and I am not ready to relinquish it. Enough said, I think you will probably know what I will vote for if there is a referendum on merger.
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Heading : Academic Discussion Msg 9 of 20
From : CHEN YIYANG BENEDICT Date : 07-Feb-2010 06:37 PM
Topic : Re: merger with China
Agreed. We are an independent nation, not some satellite state.
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Singapore Struggles with Immigration Issues
February 7th, 2010 • Fun!, Vote PAP Somemore
Between 2005 and 2009, Singapore’s population surged by roughly 150,000 people a year to 5 million—among the fastest rates ever there—with 75% or more of the increase coming from foreigners. Immigration continued in 2009 despite expectations it would collapse because of the global recession.
At the same time, though, foreign workers have driven up real estate and other prices and made the city-state’s roads and subways more congested. Their arrival has kept local blue-collar wages lower than they would be otherwise, exacerbating Singapore’s gap between rich and poor.
Some economists say the most damaging effect of the immigration is that the influx appears to be putting a lid on productivity gains, as manufacturers rely on cheap imported labor instead of making their businesses more efficient. Labor productivity, or output per employee, fell 7.8% in 2008 and 0.8% in 207—a phenomenon that could eventually translate into lower standards of living.
On Temasek Review, a Web site dedicated to Singaporean affairs, one writer recently warned Singaporeans would be “replaced” as “3rd class citizens” by foreigners, while another said that immigration “will emerge as the single most important issue” in Singapore’s next general election, due by 2011.
Singapore’s Expat Surge Fuels Economic Fears
By PATRICK BARTA And TOM WRIGHT asia.wsj.com JANUARY 12, 2010
Elections are coming, are chiu a chewren?
February 7th, 2010 • Fun!, Vote PAP Somemore
Election is coming.
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A Korea without a PAP equivalent government
February 5th, 2010 • Fun!, Vote PAP Somemore
South Korea doesn’t have an elite government like our PAP. They changed Presidents and leaders like nobody business. I have analysed the Korean situation carefully and presented some arguments on why they have become a hopeless country:
1 The Koreans cannot even assemble a good football team to win the Fifa World Cup. Remember they lost 0-1 narrowly to Germany in the 2002 semi-finals. Only one player (Park Ji Sung) could make it to the Manchester United team. Our Singapore team, comprising talents from all over the world, can simply ripped apart teams like Brunei, and some others which I having some difficulties remembering.
2. In the last Olympic (Beijing 2008), South Korea only managed to win 13 Gold medals. Their policy of not relying on importing sporting talents from China/other countries will continue to hold back their progress.
3. Korea produces drama serials that only 80% of Singaporeans would die to watch. Just compare the Korean drama serials to our Jeannette Aw inspired shows, and have a good laugh at the great disparity.
4. Korean companies, which are usually not government linked, are really short of innovation. Samsung Electronic, LG, etc only produced about 90% of all advanced LED panels used in the world flat panel TVs market. Hyundai and Kia Motors are gaining market share at a pathetic rate of less than 10% each year. Just compare them with the Temasek Holding’s Chartered Semiconductor and Stats Chipac and you will immediately realised why Temasek leadership is so important.
Singaporeans are just plain lucky to have the PAP government to lead us. Our ministers are real leaders, with their salaries leading the common people by leaps and bounds. By spending $millions in importing foreign players and giving out incentives, we have captured a silver medal at the last Olympic. This is one of the greatest success stories that I can remember.
The Koreans can only look at Singapore with great envy, if they ever know that we even exist.
PM Lee now says degrees “not as important” after former govt scholars join opposition
February 4th, 2010 • Fun!, Vote PAP Somemore
Obviously taken aback at two former government scholars joining the opposition, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong is now singing a different tune from the PAP’s usual elitist stance.
The Straits Times reported last week of a former SAF scholar Tony Tan joining the Reform Party led by Cambridge-educated Kenneth Jeyaretnam. His wife, a former PSC scholar, will consider joining the party in the next few weeks.
In response to a question at the Singapore Perspectives Forum, on recent reports about ex-government scholars joining the opposition, PM Lee said:
“For the opposition it’s a change – one scholar or two you think “wow” this is a luminous transformation. Well it is a significant development we will look, but finally let’s look at the person. Not what degrees he has, but what he is he able to do for Singapore.”
The PAP loves to boast about the academic qualifications of its candidates during every election which the opposition is having difficulties attracting though the gap appears to be narrowing in recent years.
Judging from his tone, PM Lee doesn’t seem to think much of the two former government scholars in the Reform Party:
“We hope that anybody who enters politics is somebody of not just ability but integrity and commitment. These are young people who have got good records academically and been in the civil service. We wish them well but we hope Singaporeans will judge individuals like that as rigorously as they would judge individuals who join the PAP side. In other words, it’s not just what degree you have but what sort of person are you and what can you do. That is a matter you can scrutinise before they come in and the PAP scrutinise very hard before they can come in. But it has to be scrutinised by the voters after they have come in and make a wise choice whom to commit.”
Prime Minister Lee must have forgotten what his father said during the 1984 election rally at Potong Pasir. Then the Prime Minister, Lee revealed the “O” level results of PAP candidate Mah Bow Tan and SDP candidate Chiam See Tong and sneered at the latter for scoring “Cs” while Mah is a straight “A” student.
Chiam eventually won the seat by garnering 60 per cent of the valid votes while Mah had to enter Parliament via a GRC in the next election.
Regardless of how hard the PAP “scrutinize” their candidates, it is ultimately up to the voters to access their performance and judging from the PM Lee’s “accomplishments” since the last election, it will very hard to convince Singaporeans to give him and his team another “overwhelming” mandate again.